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External Fillets for the Rocket

Preparation

Preparation is key to the success. I made sure we sanded the areas to be filleted with Grit 60 Sand paper, that they were then cleaned with Methylated spirits and then taped up.

Sanding with Grit 60 Sand paper.
Sanding with Grit 60 Sand paper.

 

Finished sanding - ready for cleaning.
Finished sanding – ready for cleaning.

All practice external filleting I had done so far had neglected the ends; it was more focused on the the main stretch. The width of the fillets needs to converge to zero at both ends of the fin on the air-frame. I did a simple plot y = 2x^2  on my printer and printed it out and used it to create masking tape pieces to stick at the fin ends. What resulted looks as follows:-

 

Pointing to the curved masking tape end. This should ensure a consistently shaped fin fillet.
Pointing to the curved masking tape end. This should ensure a consistently shaped fin fillet.

 

Rocket all taped up, ready for filleting.
Rocket all taped up, ready for filleting.

 

The Glue

We made a normal ‘peanut’ consistency batch of Epoxy. We decided to use the new syringes as the old ones are too sticky and hard to push.

We originally made 20ml/4ml of epoxy for one one side of fins (lower and upper fins). We found that there was probably about 6ml of epoxy left over – so wastage. In future Epoxy runs, we’ll make it up using 15ml/3ml of 105/206.

Epoxy in new syringe, already to go.
Epoxy in new syringe, already to go.

 

The result

Back fin.

Back fin.

Front Fin
Front Fin
View from back of both fillets.
View from back of both fillets.

Fairly happy with it. I am going to need to build up the back/front of fins to ensure smooth transition. Not quite as good as I had hoped there.

 

Internal Fillets – Fin/Airframe

Thought processes

I decided after much internal debating to create a fillet between Fin and the air-frame. (Though it is more from the previous fillet to the air-frame). I decided to do this because the instructions for Katana 4 mention Internal fillets to the Air-frame. I know some people don’t bother with these fillets and I can probably get away without having them for smaller motors. But if I want to fly larger motors or lots of flights I might experience issues with fins/air-frame.

So much focus has been on attaching the fins securely to the motor-mount and air-frame that it is easy to forget other possible modes of failure (other than fins coming off). I was a little concerned that the air-frame, being as thin as they could possibly fail due to loads. So I thought it would be prudent to strengthen the air-frame around the fins with this fillet.

The Epoxy resin

I decided I didn’t want to go through with the 105/206 again with leakages. The space is much more restrictive and so bogging up ends could be difficult. The fillets don’t need to look nice and so I decided to go for 105/206/403 – just short of peanut consistency.  I decided to go a little under peanut consistency, so that the epoxy could ‘droop’ down and fill up the gaps. I wanted a droop more than a drip so that I wouldn’t get a large mess.  After about 20 mins of curing, it’s viscosity increases sufficiently that it stops drooping.

The tools

It was too hard to use really thin tube – 5 mm in diameter, despite the obvious advantages; it can easily fit down into the cavity. The problem is that the Epoxy cannot be easily delivered due to the viscosity.

So I had to go for 6 mm internal diameter tube. The extra mm makes a big difference. A problem with 6 mm tube is that I couldn’t attach the normal doweling to get it down into the cavity. It just won’t fit. 6 mm tube by itself is so snug that it somewhat deformed (squashed a little). I also wanted an arc (1/4 circle bend) at the end to direct the epoxy into the gap between the air-frame and the fin and the only way I could do this was with 3 mm diameter copper rod that I bent into shape. I used narrow lengths of Masking Tape to bend the tube at the end to the copper rod.

6mm Internal diameter plastic tube on 3mm copper rod.
6mm Internal diameter plastic tube on 3mm copper rod.

It worked! I could then withdraw the tube and push the epoxy in and was even able to just see the epoxy coming out, so I could confirm that it was going into the right place! Very happy with this.

 

Preparation

Bench ready for Gluing.
Bench ready for Gluing.

 

403 Filler ready for use.
403 Filler ready for use.

 

Mixing 403 filler into 105/206 mix.
Mixing 403 filler into 105/206 mix.

 

Internal fillets done
Internal fillets done

It is a bit hard to notice, but there are internal fillets done here.

External Fillets – Second Trial

Practice makes Perfect

I wanted to practice the external fillets again. I have only one chance at this , so the procedure needs to be clear in my mind.

My Test bed

I nailed two pieces of wood. Then I used a 10mm aluminium rod to accurately measure 10mm lines on each edge. Then I taped up the wood, so that fillets can’t extend past 10mm. Below is a photo of this set-up.

Test bed - to practice external filleting.
Test bed – to practice external filleting.

The Epoxy

I wanted a proper peanut epoxy mix – no drooping at all, no dripping. So I went for the 105/206/403 mixture.

I mixed 15/3 of 105/206. This did two 15cm lengths with a little bit left over. With 6 fins (both sides) we have 204cm of fillets. So we will need about 7 times this quantity of epoxy. i.e. 105/21. Though we are very likely to do this in 6 (possibly 3 if we are feeling extra confident) jobs.

I was careful not to introduce any air while mixing and I carefully filtered the 403 twice to ensure that I didn’t have any clumps. I had about 10 mins of 20 mins time left to apply the epoxy to the filleting area and create the required profile.

Delivery of Epoxy to Join

I don’t need to pass this epoxy through any tube (like before), just from a syringe.  I just packed it in and then squeezed it into the spot. I made sure that I was putting in enough epoxy along the fillet join.

105/206/403 epoxy mix loaded into syringe, ready for filleting.
105/206/403 epoxy mix loaded into syringe, ready for filleting.
Applying epoxy to join. (Sorry it is out of focus)
Applying epoxy to join. (Sorry it is out of focus)
Left over Epoxy mixing after using PCB tool to create fillet profile.
Left over Epoxy mixing after using PCB tool to create fillet profile.

 

Epoxy left to dry for 12 hours. Notice how tape has been removed.
Epoxy left to dry for 12 hours. Notice how tape has been removed.

Sanding

After it had dried, I did the sanding using a specially made sanding stick. I made the sanding stick by Gluing Grit 60 Sandpaper to one end and Grit 240 at the other end. I used Selleys Glue to attach the sandpaper. It had to dry overnight. (Yes, lots of waiting).

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Practicing using the sanding bar
Practicing using the sanding bar

The (almost) Final Product

Here are two pictures that compare one side (sanded) with the other side (un-sanded)

Un-Sanded Fillet
Un-Sanded Fillet
Sanded Fillet
Sanded Fillet

The finish is excellent – very smooth. There is still a line where the masking tape was. This line needs to be removed by using filler to bring it to the fibrerglass air-frame.

As a reminder, this effort is being made because we want to reduce Interference drag which can have a significant impact on a rocket’s performance.

Removing the line

My neighbor suggested the filler as a technique for removing the line. He had a go on this test fillet I did. I took some pictures of what he did. (Of course I’ll be doing this myself when it comes to the real thing).

Side on view of fillet sanded and filled in and painted with primer.
Side on view of fillet sanded and filled in and painted with primer.
Very smooth finish after building up edges to remove tape line. Painted with primer to help bring out any imperfections.
Very smooth finish after building up edges to remove tape line. Painted with primer to help bring out any imperfections; if any.

Good aye? Can you tell where the fillet starts/ends?

 

Fin to Motor Mount Internal Fillet

I did the Internal fillets very carefully and just one at a time. This gives me ample opportunity to identify issues and make improvements to my procedures.

Drying time

As a result of the , I had to do 12 fillets. Each fillet requires approx 12 hrs to cure. I could probably have got away with 6 hours, but decided against that because I wanted to ensure I get the best adhesion with the fin and motor-mount. Most of the time I just did one fillet in a day, sometimes I managed to do a second one.

Preparation

I had already roughed up the Motor Mount Fibreglass tube with Grit 80 sand paper and the Fins were already roughed up, scored and cleaned thoroughly.

Preparation included taping up fins, motor mount and airframe so that no epoxy would find its way on to these areas. I didn’t want a hard time getting the lower centering ring back on and I didn’t want to spoil the hard work done on the fins.

I had all the tools out ready to do the job:-

  • Safety Googles
  • Many pairs of gloves
  • Epoxy 105 resin
  • Hardener 206
  • Cup
  • Stiring Stick
  • Cardboard to protect bench surface
  • Lots of paper towels (some cut up into small pieces)
  • Bin
  • 60ml Syringe
  • 6mm tube attached to 4mm doweling using masking tape
  • Methylated Spirits
  • Torch

Pictures

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See the internal fillet - glistening in the light.
See the internal fillet – glistening in the light.
Closer view of the final fillet.
Closer view of the final fillet.

 

Rocket left alone for 10 hours while internal fillet dries. NO-ONE can touch it.
Rocket left alone for 10 hours while internal fillet dries. NO-ONE can touch it.

Issues encountered

Unfortunately epoxy did on occasion breach the bogs and some would seep out and run along the fins. Hence the tape. Fortunately the seeping of Epoxy was minimal and I think was often due to slightly too much Epoxy, rather than a hole in the bogs. Fortunately after about 30 mins after loading the epoxy, it would start to firm up and not seep as much.

Forward Centering Ring Fillet

Decided that the Forward Centering ring should have an “AFT” fillet. The “Forward” fillet was created by the initial gluing process; as the glue was pushed forward. So nothing needs to be done here.

The creation of the fillet is not straight-forward because it was all the way down. So instead decided to lay ~35 ml of Epoxy resin using tube and allow it form a ring. So not a true fillet in the sense (not shaped like a fillet), but still forms the role of a fillet.

The preparation

I taped up the Motor-Mount and Airframe where the AFT centering ring eventually needs to be glued (didn’t want this getting clogged up). I also pushed a bunch of newspaper down the Motor Mount and taped over it with Masking tape. Didn’t want ANY glue accidentally getting into the Motor Mount.

The Gluing

The Epoxy was just 105/206 mix and inserted using long doweling with 5 mm (internal diameter) plastic tubing. I secured the rocket to the bench using cable ties and let it sit there for 10 hours.

It was very straight-forward procedure

Bogging up Fin ends

I spent considerable time debating how to do the internal fillets. I’d already done a ‘trial’ run using 105/206 on a dummy fin and this had worked well, except for the epoxy dripping at each end, despite best efforts to step the flow with some wood/tape.

Really questioned whether I should go for 105/206/403 mix instead, which would need no bogging or special care in terms of spill management.

I decided in the end that 105/206/403 wasn’t going to fit the bill, because I need the fillets between fin/motor mount to make very good contact with the surfaces it is bonding. i.e. I’m more concerned about surface adhesion, rather than the strength of the Epoxy itself. So a running Epoxy is going to get to all the gaps, cuts. So the only effective way I could think of stopping leaks/spillage of this 105/206 mix was to bog the ends. I thought about a nylon rope solution, but didn’t think I could rely upon it.

I used wood doweling with some 6mm inner diameter plastic tube to get the fin ends bogged up. The 6mm only just fit into the cavity. I choose 6mm because I didn’t want to have a hard time pushing the epoxy mix. With 5mm, it is only one mm less, but the difficulty is so much greater!I carefully marked on the Rod how far it is inside the rocket back-end. I visually confirmed where it was located and pushed thickened 105/206/403 into position.

Here is a picture of the result.

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As you can see, the bog works pretty well. I wasn’t too happy with some bogs, so I added a small amount of JB-Weld to extend the bog.

You will notice that I’e shone the torch through the Fibreglass Air-frame. A very handy way to look at work.

 

Gluing the Fins to the Motor Mount

We need to attach the fins to the Motor mount. The first step is to apply epoxy to the root of the fin and set in position to dry. Because the motor mount will get warm, we decided to use JB-Weld glue to attach them.

Like all the gluing steps, I checked, double checked and triple checked how I would go about it.

 

One fin to go. Just need to tape up before I start last fin.
One fin to go. Just need to tape up before I start last fin.

I taped up parts of the fin to ensure it would fit snugly in the slots of the wood frame. I also taped parts of the air-frame so that any accidental spillages of Epoxy would not cause problems or create a mess.

 

Squeezed out equal amounts of JB-Weld Epoxy
Squeezed out equal amounts of JB-Weld Epoxy

Very carefully squeezed out equal amounts of JB-Weld and spent 90 seconds mixing them.

 

Applied a strip of JB-Weld to root of fin.
Applied a strip of JB-Weld to root of fin.

Applied a healthy layer of JB-Weld on to the root of the fin.

Last fin in position and drying.
Last fin in position and drying.

Clamping only required when doing the “Forward” fin.

Making sure both fins edges are level
Making sure both fins edges are level

Checking that they were level was important because it confirmed that the fins were sitting properly (horizontal) on the motor mount.

I always glued the Aft fin first, let that dry and then did the “Forward” fin using wood/bolts to keep them aligned. I tried to keep the fins inserted with equal gap on each side.

 

Making a good batch of glue for External Fillets

It became apparent after painting my first external fillet test, that I needed to do a little bit more practice to perfect the fillet. The paint revealed the craters and irregularities. They could not be ignored.

 

Original External Fillet Attempt. Notice the cratering.
Original External Fillet Attempt. Notice the cratering.

 

Thinking about Cooking

It occurred to me that if I could make better pancake mixture, I could probably make better glue. My pancake mixture always has bump/lumps. I use a whisk to beat the bumps out. So I decided to try and whisk the glue with a ‘baby’ whisk. This helped remove the lumps, but I think it also introduced air bubbles; which are something else we want to avoid.

The outcome was a surface that was considerably better than the first one, but still had some craters.

An improved fillet, but still has craters
An improved fillet, but still has craters

I decided I had to try and resolve this problem without a whisk. So I decided to use a sieve to filter out all the lumpy 403 filler. I performed the filter process twice on the 403 filler.

Sieve we used to remove lumps of 403
Sieve we used to remove lumps of 403

 

I also decided to use a bowl, rather than a cup to mix the mixture in.

Slowly mixing the epoxy with filler.
Slowly mixing the epoxy with filler.

I used a ‘paddle’ like stick, rather than the chop-stick and I was very careful to keep the stick in the Epoxy all the time, and stirred very, very carefully, so as to not introduce air bubbles. When I was adding the 403 filler, I only added it in very small amounts, covering the surface.

The result was a better mixture, that when sanded down was almost perfect!

External fillet after sanding
External fillet after sanding

I also used masking tape to help stop the external fillet from producing a non-straight edge. This helped.

One of the mistakes I made here was that I didn’t pull the tape off BEFORE I left it alone to dry. The result was that I couldn’t pull off all the sand paper or sand it away completely.

I used 19mm dowel with Grit 80 sandpaper wrapped around the doweling. After some sanding, I then used 240 Grit sandpaper. I think I’ll try gluing the sand paper to the doweling next time, use some
Selleys spray glue and masking tape to keep it together while drying. So many improvements being thought of!

Next Steps

I’m going to do two more trial runs before I do the rocket fillets.

External Fillets – First Trial

What I wish to create

I’ve started creating some external fillets on my test fin using West Systems Epoxy. I wanted to make 1cm fillets on both sides. So 2 * 20 = 40cm of fillets in total.

The radius of curvature is 1cm.  With some simple calculations I determined that I needed about 17cm^3 of material. I decided to make a lot more, so that I didn’t run out.

Materials

So I used:-

  • 25ml  of 105 Resin
  • 5ml of 206 Hardener
  • Approx 4 grams of 403 – to get it to peanut butter consistency, where it would not drip. This is a bit of a visual ‘job’, don’t try to measure it accurately as the scales aren’t accurate enough.

I put this mixture into a plastic bag and cut a small hole in the bag and then used this like an icing bag to squirt the epoxy material into the fillet.

The area to fillet had already been sanded with Grit-80 and cleaned. I used some clothe to ensure no dust/crud there.

After applying the epoxy material I used my new tool a 2cm side 10cm long stick with a 2cm diameter semi-circle at one end, to form the fillet profile I wished. I then used the other end to scrape off any material left over.

Here are some pictures taken during the job.

Measuring out 25 ml of 105 resin.
Measuring out 25 ml of 105 resin.
Measuring out 5 ml of 206 hardener
Measuring out 5 ml of 206 hardener

 

Baby whisk used to mix the 403 into the 105/206 epoxy. This ensures that we do not get lumps.
Baby whisk used to mix the 403 into the 105/206 epoxy. This ensures that we do not get lumps.

I did not use the whisk in the first batch, which in turn was on BOTH sides of the fin. The second batch was done with the whisk and was used to fillet up two pieces of wood. The consistency of the epoxy was significantly greater, though still not perfect.

Mixing the 105/206 epoxy together for 2 minutes.
Mixing the 105/206 epoxy together for 2 minutes.

 

Really good batch of 105/206/403 - well mixed!
Really good batch of 105/206/403 – well mixed!
We use a snaplock bag like an icing bag. We cut a small corner off and squeeze it out.
We use a snaplock bag like an icing bag. We cut a small corner off and squeeze it out.
1cm radius semi-circle "spatula" that I made to produce the external fillet
1cm radius semi-circle “spatula” that I made to produce the external fillet

Results after curing (before sanding)

Close up view of left-hand-side fillet. Looks a little bumpy.
Close up view of left-hand-side fillet. Looks a little bumpy.
Close up view of right-hand-side fillet. Looks well formed, but is a little bumpy.
Close up view of right-hand-side fillet. Looks well formed, but is a little bumpy.
Comparing fillets on both sides. They look roughly the same width.
Comparing fillets on both sides. They look roughly the same width.

I forgot to lay down tape 1cm from fin/wood interface. I will do this next time to ensure fillets are uniform along the length.

I tried using methylated spirits on my finger to smooth the paste, but this failed.

I will use a sieve next time to introduce the 403 into the epoxy mix, as I believe I’ve introduced air that is causing some issues with the quality of the fillet.

Sanding

I’ve started sanding with flexible sanding pads. I can bend them back on themselves to produce a pretty good sanding block with a semi-circle end. I have used coarse, then medium and finally the fine version. I used some water as well to get a finer finish.

Flexible sanding pad. Notice the Semi-circle end that is produced. Makes for a good way to sand the fillets
Flexible sanding pad. Notice the Semi-circle end that is produced. Makes for a good way to sand the fillets

 

Practicing preparing and attaching a fin to “Motor Mount”

I’ve purchased some real G10 material to practice on. What I wanted to practice was:-

  1. Learning how to cut it well (even though this isn’t required for this build)
  2. How to sand the Leading and Trailing edges to the profiles I’ve decided.
  3. Sand the root and tang to Grit 80. Also sand other edges lightly with Grit 80 to remove any burs. (But I don’t want to change the shape)
  4. Sanding back with Grit 240 to give it a good finish for painting. I sand it ALL over, except on the tang, and the root where it is glued on the motor mount
  5.  Score the root of the fin (yes, on the thin edge) using a punch and a bit of elbow grease. Did this every cm, in both directions at 45 degrees
  6. Score Tang of Fin that is going to be below the air-frame. I did this every 2cm at 45 degrees in both directions
  7. Cleaning the surfaces thoroughly with Methylated Spirits
  8. Inspect the fins to make sure there is no other dust, grime or dirt.
  9. Perform the following preparation steps
  10. Attaching to “motor-mount”
  11. Test paints – to see how finish is.

 

Preparations Steps

Before I can begin attaching fin, I need to prepare my work area. The “main” steps are:-

  • Clean desk
  • Get Methylated Spirits
  • Get Paper towel
  • Get a clean wood board for mixing Glue and mixing stick
  • Get my Timer
  • Wood blocks
  • Get G-Clamps.

Steps to attach the Fin

We can’t do these steps until the fins are prepared!

  1. Then I mix up equal amounts of J-B Weld black and white on a clean surface for mixing.
  2. I start time for 20 minutes. This tells me how long I have to go.
  3. I apply this to the root of the fin as evenly as possible, and try and avoid it going over the side
  4. Clean off excess J-B Weld off sides very carefully using Methylated Spirits and paper towel.
  5. Carefully lower the Fin into the slot, make sure that the J-B Weld doesn’t get on to the “Air-Frame”
  6. Apply a bit of a wriggling action to get the glue to fill gapes
  7. Make sure the Fin is 90 degrees and use clamps and wood blocks to ensure that the fin cannot move
  8. Leave it for 15 hrs minimum!

Here are some pictures:-

Rounded leading edge.
Rounded leading edge.
V-profile trial sanding.
V-profile trial sanding.
Using a punch to score the tang
Using a punch to score the tang
Scoring on the Tang
Scoring on the Tang
Scored the bottom of the fin.
Scored the bottom of the fin.
Approximately 4cm of glue should be enough for 20cm of root fin with some glue left over.
Approximately 4cm of glue should be enough for 20cm of root fin with some glue left over.
Mixing the J-B Weld glue for a minute.
Mixing the J-B Weld glue for a minute.
Glue carefully applied to root.
Glue carefully applied to root.

 

Using square to get fin at 90 degrees to wood.
Using square to get fin at 90 degrees to wood.
Fin installed in the slot.
Fin installed in the slot.

 

Trying to show fin/glue inside gap.
Trying to show fin/glue inside gap.